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February 2014 PR Visa Application

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  • bookwormbookworm CanberraPosts: 588Member
    a ok, thank you :)

    20110812 - Submitted Vetassess docs
    20120403 - Received positive assessment
    20130622 - Took the IELTS exam (L:8, R:7, W:8.5, S:8.5, OBS:8)
    20131008 - Created and submitted EOI account
    20131216 - Started gathering documents for ACT SS
    20140113 - Submitted ACT SS nomination
    20140227 - assigned a case officer :)
    20140317 - Finally got my ACT sponsorship!
    20140319 - Invited to apply (visa 190)
    20140325 - Lodged visa 190
    20140718 - Direct visa grant. IED: July 17, 2015
    20150203 - Landed in ACT :) Job hunt begins
    201510 - Started working at Woolies
    20161031 - landed a job in my field as a junior
    20180508 - landed a job in my field

    Thank you God! You are truly amazing!

  • ShaySheyShayShey WoolloongabbaPosts: 184Member
    Hello @Xiaomau82 , ahh ganun ba? grabe ang tagal pala... :(

    Nominated Occupation : Production / Plant Engineer
    17-Aug-13 IELTS BC L/R-7.5 S-6.5 W-6.0
    05-Sept-13 EA received assessment documents
    14-Dec-13 IELTS IDP L-6.5 R-8.0 S/W 7.0
    06- Feb-14 EA confirmed positive skills assessment through email
    15-Feb-14 IELTS IDP L-9.0 R-8.0 S-7.5 W-7.0 (Finally)
    08-Mar-14 Submitted EOI
    10- Mar-14 Received invitation to lodge visa 189
    14- Mar- 14 Received EA assessment letter
    31- Mar- 14 Lodge visa
    05- Apr- 14 Uploaded documents
    16- Apr- 14 Uploaded medicals
    01- May- 14 CO allocated - GSM Adelaide Team 06
    22-May- 14 Uploaded all requested documents (Form80 / Police Clearance)
    04-June- 14 VISA GRANT!! Thank u Lord!
    29-July - 14 Initial entry Melbourne
    27 - Dec - 14 Big move

    Proverbs 16:9 "The heart of man plans his way, but the Lord establishes his steps."

  • sonsi_03sonsi_03 SydneyPosts: 1,084Member
    hayssss! wala pa rin good news....why oh why?

    09-07-14 - Visa Grant! Thank you so much, Lord! IED 03-03-15
    15-09-14 - Landed in Radelaide! South Australia
    29-09-14 - Started working in Adelaide South Australia
    28-09-15 - Left the first job
    06-10-15 - Started the second job
    18-09-16 - Moved to Sydney

    "The key to everything is patience. You get the chicken by hatching the egg, not by smashing it." Arnold H. Glasow
    ...At sa wakas naging sisiw na nga ang itlog!
    Visa lodged members please share your timelines here:
    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/18d1OUvt_9wyGxVrUu-12aoo8evhMKwGFHrf2smAaoU4/edit#gid=424981924

    https://www.facebook.com/groups/1490118541216428/

  • jantoxjantox St LeonardsPosts: 102Member
    mangunugusmuta sana ako. kating kati kana umalis sa sg ah. kakalipat lang namin sa amk. so baka matagal tagalan pa pagpunta dun.
  • KyzeKyze BalangaPosts: 64Member
    Hi po..me C.O. na din po kami .. me request po ng form 80 at payslip...

    03 March 2013 - Vetasses Lodgement
    09 March 2013 - Ctc of Documents
    14 March 2013 - Courier via DHL
    15 March 2013 - Received Documents with add' Doc. (Payslip)
    10 June 2013 - Submitted add'l doc.
    20 June 2013 - Vetasses Completed with pta (positive)
    23 October 2013 - PTA qualifications
    29 November 2013 - IELTS retake (good at long last)
    04 January 2014 -PTA Qualifications (comparable)
    05 January 2014 - EOI Submitted
    12 January 2014 - SS SA application
    05 February 2014 - SS SA approved
    09 February 2014 - VISA lodgement
    10 February 2014 - Documents Uploaded
    24 February 2014 - Medicals
    28 February 2014 - no health required
    04 March 2014 - Sg pcc. Uploaded (Waiting for nbi)
    08 March 2014 - NBI Uploaded
    09 April 2014 - C.O. allocated (payslip and form 80)
    09 July 2014 - Visa Grant (thankyou Lord and to all Pinoy au people)Salamat po... :)

  • sonsi_03sonsi_03 SydneyPosts: 1,084Member
    @jantox nakakainip lang minsan bossing. pero antay antay lang din. darating di naman yan pag panahon na. mahirap lang yung mag-set up kasi kapag wala pang hawak na papel.

    @Kyze ayos! sa wakas! Naku ayan na yang Form 80 na yan heheh goodluck sa pag-fill up po. Malapit na po grant nyo.

    09-07-14 - Visa Grant! Thank you so much, Lord! IED 03-03-15
    15-09-14 - Landed in Radelaide! South Australia
    29-09-14 - Started working in Adelaide South Australia
    28-09-15 - Left the first job
    06-10-15 - Started the second job
    18-09-16 - Moved to Sydney

    "The key to everything is patience. You get the chicken by hatching the egg, not by smashing it." Arnold H. Glasow
    ...At sa wakas naging sisiw na nga ang itlog!
    Visa lodged members please share your timelines here:
    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/18d1OUvt_9wyGxVrUu-12aoo8evhMKwGFHrf2smAaoU4/edit#gid=424981924

    https://www.facebook.com/groups/1490118541216428/

  • jantoxjantox St LeonardsPosts: 102Member
    @Kyze nag front load kasi ako ng payslips na kaya di na ako hiningan. bale binigay ko ay 1st month payslip, after 1 year payslip, then last month payslip.
  • sonsi_03sonsi_03 SydneyPosts: 1,084Member
    @Kyze kung meron ka pa pong kumpletong payslip itodo mo na po. Para ala na tanong tanong si CO nyo.

    09-07-14 - Visa Grant! Thank you so much, Lord! IED 03-03-15
    15-09-14 - Landed in Radelaide! South Australia
    29-09-14 - Started working in Adelaide South Australia
    28-09-15 - Left the first job
    06-10-15 - Started the second job
    18-09-16 - Moved to Sydney

    "The key to everything is patience. You get the chicken by hatching the egg, not by smashing it." Arnold H. Glasow
    ...At sa wakas naging sisiw na nga ang itlog!
    Visa lodged members please share your timelines here:
    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/18d1OUvt_9wyGxVrUu-12aoo8evhMKwGFHrf2smAaoU4/edit#gid=424981924

    https://www.facebook.com/groups/1490118541216428/

  • kremitzkremitz North RydePosts: 1,074Member
    Kmi hindi hiningin ng itr o payslip haha nagtaka nga kmi eh.pwede pla yun

    Occupation: Software Engineer (ANZSCO Code 261313)
    Main applicant : Husband
    April 29, 2013 : ACS Skills assessment
    July 22, 2013 : ACS assessment result
    January 3, 2014: IELTS Result (Take 1 L-8,W,R,S-7)
    January 12, 2013: Lodged EOI (65points)
    January 13, 2013: Invited to apply for visa 189
    February 9, 2014: Lodged visa
    March 1, 2014: Medicals at NHSI
    March 6: email from CO requesting form 80 and hubby's NBI Clearance
    March 25, 2014: visa grant. Thank you lord
    June 8,2014: Hubby arrived in Sydney
    Sept 11,2014: Hubby's first day of work. Thank you Lord!
    Feb 7, 2015 : Baby and I arrived in Sydney
    April 13, 2015: My first day of work :)

  • markinozmarkinoz SydneyPosts: 36Member
    @Kyze ano timeline mo saka anong state yang 190 mo?
  • penski516penski516 St LeonardsPosts: 94Member
    Meron po sa inyo batchmates na VIC SS ang 190?

    Eto na.. July 10, 2014 - Direct Visa Grant!!! - Thank you Bossing! -AMDG

    ..Waiting for CO.. or Direct Visa Grant.. :)

    February 7, 2014 - Completed medicals at St Lukes BGC
    February 6, 2014 - NBI Clearance acquired
    February 4, 2014 - Lodged Visa 190 Application
    January 31, 2014 - Received Positive VIC SS, invited to apply for 190 with 60 points. Thank God! :)
    December 2013 - EOI and Vic SS application (60 points including VIC SS if invited)
    December 2013 (deferred until Feb 2014) - IELTS Take 2 (Aiming for atleast an 8 on all bands sa tulong ng review center this time)
    September 16 2013 - ACS Results : Suitable - Bachelors degree, 2 years experiences = 15 points
    August 9 2013 - IELTS Results: LR-9, S-7.5, W-7, OBS-8 = 10 points Salamat po Lord!
    July 27 2013 - IELTS Take 1 (hopefully first and last)
    June 13 2013 - Submitted papers for ACS Assessment
    (waited for a little more experience...)
    January 2012 - Started collecting COEs and Academic records

  • KyzeKyze BalangaPosts: 64Member
    Thanks po sa inyo...kaya kami hiningan ng payslip d kc namin nailagay lahat.
    @markinoz visa 190 Sa po kami..parang meron po kong naisulat na timeline jan sa baba..

    03 March 2013 - Vetasses Lodgement
    09 March 2013 - Ctc of Documents
    14 March 2013 - Courier via DHL
    15 March 2013 - Received Documents with add' Doc. (Payslip)
    10 June 2013 - Submitted add'l doc.
    20 June 2013 - Vetasses Completed with pta (positive)
    23 October 2013 - PTA qualifications
    29 November 2013 - IELTS retake (good at long last)
    04 January 2014 -PTA Qualifications (comparable)
    05 January 2014 - EOI Submitted
    12 January 2014 - SS SA application
    05 February 2014 - SS SA approved
    09 February 2014 - VISA lodgement
    10 February 2014 - Documents Uploaded
    24 February 2014 - Medicals
    28 February 2014 - no health required
    04 March 2014 - Sg pcc. Uploaded (Waiting for nbi)
    08 March 2014 - NBI Uploaded
    09 April 2014 - C.O. allocated (payslip and form 80)
    09 July 2014 - Visa Grant (thankyou Lord and to all Pinoy au people)Salamat po... :)

  • sonsi_03sonsi_03 SydneyPosts: 1,084Member
    @kremitz depende kasi sa CO pa rin yan pero pinaka da best is upload lahat ng employment evidence if possible dahil kelangan ma-satisfy si CO na legit ang employment mo sa mga dineclare mong companies. minsan naman lenient sila at hindi na naghahanap kung talagang wala.

    09-07-14 - Visa Grant! Thank you so much, Lord! IED 03-03-15
    15-09-14 - Landed in Radelaide! South Australia
    29-09-14 - Started working in Adelaide South Australia
    28-09-15 - Left the first job
    06-10-15 - Started the second job
    18-09-16 - Moved to Sydney

    "The key to everything is patience. You get the chicken by hatching the egg, not by smashing it." Arnold H. Glasow
    ...At sa wakas naging sisiw na nga ang itlog!
    Visa lodged members please share your timelines here:
    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/18d1OUvt_9wyGxVrUu-12aoo8evhMKwGFHrf2smAaoU4/edit#gid=424981924

    https://www.facebook.com/groups/1490118541216428/

  • kremitzkremitz North RydePosts: 1,074Member
    @sonsi_03 ah ok kala ko kc nirerequire talaga yun eh.

    Occupation: Software Engineer (ANZSCO Code 261313)
    Main applicant : Husband
    April 29, 2013 : ACS Skills assessment
    July 22, 2013 : ACS assessment result
    January 3, 2014: IELTS Result (Take 1 L-8,W,R,S-7)
    January 12, 2013: Lodged EOI (65points)
    January 13, 2013: Invited to apply for visa 189
    February 9, 2014: Lodged visa
    March 1, 2014: Medicals at NHSI
    March 6: email from CO requesting form 80 and hubby's NBI Clearance
    March 25, 2014: visa grant. Thank you lord
    June 8,2014: Hubby arrived in Sydney
    Sept 11,2014: Hubby's first day of work. Thank you Lord!
    Feb 7, 2015 : Baby and I arrived in Sydney
    April 13, 2015: My first day of work :)

  • sonsi_03sonsi_03 SydneyPosts: 1,084Member
    @kremitz supporting docs po yung ibang evidence naman pwedeng contract, ITR BIR sss at mga letter of promotion mga ganun.

    09-07-14 - Visa Grant! Thank you so much, Lord! IED 03-03-15
    15-09-14 - Landed in Radelaide! South Australia
    29-09-14 - Started working in Adelaide South Australia
    28-09-15 - Left the first job
    06-10-15 - Started the second job
    18-09-16 - Moved to Sydney

    "The key to everything is patience. You get the chicken by hatching the egg, not by smashing it." Arnold H. Glasow
    ...At sa wakas naging sisiw na nga ang itlog!
    Visa lodged members please share your timelines here:
    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/18d1OUvt_9wyGxVrUu-12aoo8evhMKwGFHrf2smAaoU4/edit#gid=424981924

    https://www.facebook.com/groups/1490118541216428/

  • czhaczha BrisbanePosts: 142Member
    @ShayShey @tartakobsky pwede po na kumuha lang ng form sa embassy tapos sa Cantonment sa Outram mag pa fingerprint bayad lang ng $15 tapos patatakan sa embassy ..pwede na ipakuha sa pinas sa kamag anak o kaibigan ...

    March 2013 - IELTS
    November 2013 - Engineers Australia (electronics draftperson)
    February 2014 - State Sponsorship (QLD) EOI approval
    March 20, 2014 - Visa application (visa 190)
    April 2, 2014 - Medicals done
    April 4, 2014 - NBI filed
    May 15, 2014 - COC filed
    July 9, 2014 - CO assigned (asked for additional employment docs)
    July 23, 2014 - Visa Grant

  • tartakobskytartakobsky MelbournePosts: 276Member
    edited April 2014
    @czha sorry wrong post.

    312512
    27-07-13 IELTS/24-10-13 TRA +/25-10-13 EOI for 190/25-10-13 SS Application to SA/19-11-13 Invited for 190/21-11-13 Lodged 190/28-11-13 Medical/16-12-13 Upload SG CoC/17-12-13 Medical cleared/13-01-14 Upload NBI/22-01-14 CO allocated, uploaded additional docs/24-01-14 Thank you Lord! Visa grant/30-04-14 Landed in Adelaide

  • czhaczha BrisbanePosts: 142Member
    @tartakobsky ginawa ko po un Cantonment ang fingerprint tapos stamp ng embassy tapos padala na sa Pinas ..kasi si @ShayShey nakita ko namomoblema dahil sa sched sa Embassy ...

    March 2013 - IELTS
    November 2013 - Engineers Australia (electronics draftperson)
    February 2014 - State Sponsorship (QLD) EOI approval
    March 20, 2014 - Visa application (visa 190)
    April 2, 2014 - Medicals done
    April 4, 2014 - NBI filed
    May 15, 2014 - COC filed
    July 9, 2014 - CO assigned (asked for additional employment docs)
    July 23, 2014 - Visa Grant

  • natnornatnor SingaporePosts: 23Member
  • tartakobskytartakobsky MelbournePosts: 276Member
    edited April 2014
    @czha ay sorry akala ko nagtatanong ka haha i-edit ko nalang, thanks

    312512
    27-07-13 IELTS/24-10-13 TRA +/25-10-13 EOI for 190/25-10-13 SS Application to SA/19-11-13 Invited for 190/21-11-13 Lodged 190/28-11-13 Medical/16-12-13 Upload SG CoC/17-12-13 Medical cleared/13-01-14 Upload NBI/22-01-14 CO allocated, uploaded additional docs/24-01-14 Thank you Lord! Visa grant/30-04-14 Landed in Adelaide

  • sonsi_03sonsi_03 SydneyPosts: 1,084Member
    @natnor Hi, welcome! Care to share your timeline please?

    09-07-14 - Visa Grant! Thank you so much, Lord! IED 03-03-15
    15-09-14 - Landed in Radelaide! South Australia
    29-09-14 - Started working in Adelaide South Australia
    28-09-15 - Left the first job
    06-10-15 - Started the second job
    18-09-16 - Moved to Sydney

    "The key to everything is patience. You get the chicken by hatching the egg, not by smashing it." Arnold H. Glasow
    ...At sa wakas naging sisiw na nga ang itlog!
    Visa lodged members please share your timelines here:
    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/18d1OUvt_9wyGxVrUu-12aoo8evhMKwGFHrf2smAaoU4/edit#gid=424981924

    https://www.facebook.com/groups/1490118541216428/

  • natnornatnor SingaporePosts: 23Member
    Hi
    lodged my Visa 190 last January 28
  • bookwormbookworm CanberraPosts: 588Member
    @natnor, wow, January pa? Ano na nangyari sa case mo?
    Can you post your timeline sa signature mo?

    20110812 - Submitted Vetassess docs
    20120403 - Received positive assessment
    20130622 - Took the IELTS exam (L:8, R:7, W:8.5, S:8.5, OBS:8)
    20131008 - Created and submitted EOI account
    20131216 - Started gathering documents for ACT SS
    20140113 - Submitted ACT SS nomination
    20140227 - assigned a case officer :)
    20140317 - Finally got my ACT sponsorship!
    20140319 - Invited to apply (visa 190)
    20140325 - Lodged visa 190
    20140718 - Direct visa grant. IED: July 17, 2015
    20150203 - Landed in ACT :) Job hunt begins
    201510 - Started working at Woolies
    20161031 - landed a job in my field as a junior
    20180508 - landed a job in my field

    Thank you God! You are truly amazing!

  • sonsi_03sonsi_03 SydneyPosts: 1,084Member
    @natnor have you called DIBP? Me CO ka na po? Tagal na ah.

    09-07-14 - Visa Grant! Thank you so much, Lord! IED 03-03-15
    15-09-14 - Landed in Radelaide! South Australia
    29-09-14 - Started working in Adelaide South Australia
    28-09-15 - Left the first job
    06-10-15 - Started the second job
    18-09-16 - Moved to Sydney

    "The key to everything is patience. You get the chicken by hatching the egg, not by smashing it." Arnold H. Glasow
    ...At sa wakas naging sisiw na nga ang itlog!
    Visa lodged members please share your timelines here:
    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/18d1OUvt_9wyGxVrUu-12aoo8evhMKwGFHrf2smAaoU4/edit#gid=424981924

    https://www.facebook.com/groups/1490118541216428/

  • ShaySheyShayShey WoolloongabbaPosts: 184Member
    @czha, pwede ba un? so kuha lang ako ng form sa embassy? ano form un? saan banda ko kukuha? sa mga window ba or sa may guard lang?

    Then pag napadala ko na sa kamag anak sa pinas, sila na apply ng NBI ko? Need ko rin ba kuha ng authorization letter sa embassy?

    Sorry kung madami tanong...

    Nominated Occupation : Production / Plant Engineer
    17-Aug-13 IELTS BC L/R-7.5 S-6.5 W-6.0
    05-Sept-13 EA received assessment documents
    14-Dec-13 IELTS IDP L-6.5 R-8.0 S/W 7.0
    06- Feb-14 EA confirmed positive skills assessment through email
    15-Feb-14 IELTS IDP L-9.0 R-8.0 S-7.5 W-7.0 (Finally)
    08-Mar-14 Submitted EOI
    10- Mar-14 Received invitation to lodge visa 189
    14- Mar- 14 Received EA assessment letter
    31- Mar- 14 Lodge visa
    05- Apr- 14 Uploaded documents
    16- Apr- 14 Uploaded medicals
    01- May- 14 CO allocated - GSM Adelaide Team 06
    22-May- 14 Uploaded all requested documents (Form80 / Police Clearance)
    04-June- 14 VISA GRANT!! Thank u Lord!
    29-July - 14 Initial entry Melbourne
    27 - Dec - 14 Big move

    Proverbs 16:9 "The heart of man plans his way, but the Lord establishes his steps."

  • natnornatnor SingaporePosts: 23Member
    CO was assigned last March 18... so far no news after that...
    im on the 'patience is a virtue' mode... :)
  • sonsi_03sonsi_03 SydneyPosts: 1,084Member
    i've been seeing lots of 190 na either No CO and with CO all in waiting mode sa ibang forums. Yung iba Dec-Jan pa nag lodge. I guess we have to be a little more patient in waiting.

    09-07-14 - Visa Grant! Thank you so much, Lord! IED 03-03-15
    15-09-14 - Landed in Radelaide! South Australia
    29-09-14 - Started working in Adelaide South Australia
    28-09-15 - Left the first job
    06-10-15 - Started the second job
    18-09-16 - Moved to Sydney

    "The key to everything is patience. You get the chicken by hatching the egg, not by smashing it." Arnold H. Glasow
    ...At sa wakas naging sisiw na nga ang itlog!
    Visa lodged members please share your timelines here:
    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/18d1OUvt_9wyGxVrUu-12aoo8evhMKwGFHrf2smAaoU4/edit#gid=424981924

    https://www.facebook.com/groups/1490118541216428/

  • penski516penski516 St LeonardsPosts: 94Member
    @natnor thanks for letting us know hehe kaw at ako pa lang ang alam kong VIC SS dito sa batch natin.. and mas mauuna ka pa sakin kasi Feb 4 ako naglodge.. anung occupation mo sir?

    Eto na.. July 10, 2014 - Direct Visa Grant!!! - Thank you Bossing! -AMDG

    ..Waiting for CO.. or Direct Visa Grant.. :)

    February 7, 2014 - Completed medicals at St Lukes BGC
    February 6, 2014 - NBI Clearance acquired
    February 4, 2014 - Lodged Visa 190 Application
    January 31, 2014 - Received Positive VIC SS, invited to apply for 190 with 60 points. Thank God! :)
    December 2013 - EOI and Vic SS application (60 points including VIC SS if invited)
    December 2013 (deferred until Feb 2014) - IELTS Take 2 (Aiming for atleast an 8 on all bands sa tulong ng review center this time)
    September 16 2013 - ACS Results : Suitable - Bachelors degree, 2 years experiences = 15 points
    August 9 2013 - IELTS Results: LR-9, S-7.5, W-7, OBS-8 = 10 points Salamat po Lord!
    July 27 2013 - IELTS Take 1 (hopefully first and last)
    June 13 2013 - Submitted papers for ACS Assessment
    (waited for a little more experience...)
    January 2012 - Started collecting COEs and Academic records

  • czhaczha BrisbanePosts: 142Member
    @ShayShey mag email ka muna sa embassy sa [email protected] ..NBI form din sya.. after mo makuha punta ka sa Cantonment for finger printing tapos balik ka sa embassy for stamp tapos bigyan ka nila ng authorization letter na form tapos un na ung padala mo sa Pinas

    March 2013 - IELTS
    November 2013 - Engineers Australia (electronics draftperson)
    February 2014 - State Sponsorship (QLD) EOI approval
    March 20, 2014 - Visa application (visa 190)
    April 2, 2014 - Medicals done
    April 4, 2014 - NBI filed
    May 15, 2014 - COC filed
    July 9, 2014 - CO assigned (asked for additional employment docs)
    July 23, 2014 - Visa Grant

  • sonsi_03sonsi_03 SydneyPosts: 1,084Member
    edited April 2014
    @czha ok yang procedure na yan ah, di na ba kelangan maghintay ng ilang weeks sa slot katulad ng sa PE? Yung authorization letter na yan is like an affidavit also that you have to pay $42 tama po ba?

    By the way which state po kayo?

    09-07-14 - Visa Grant! Thank you so much, Lord! IED 03-03-15
    15-09-14 - Landed in Radelaide! South Australia
    29-09-14 - Started working in Adelaide South Australia
    28-09-15 - Left the first job
    06-10-15 - Started the second job
    18-09-16 - Moved to Sydney

    "The key to everything is patience. You get the chicken by hatching the egg, not by smashing it." Arnold H. Glasow
    ...At sa wakas naging sisiw na nga ang itlog!
    Visa lodged members please share your timelines here:
    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/18d1OUvt_9wyGxVrUu-12aoo8evhMKwGFHrf2smAaoU4/edit#gid=424981924

    https://www.facebook.com/groups/1490118541216428/

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