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General Skilled Immigration Visa - Step By Step Process

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  • MLBSMLBS ManilaPosts: 541Member
    @marchbaby na rerenew ang assessment ng EA. Pag section 2 at may PRC pwede ma assess as Bachelor's degree ang education. Since associate level lang na assess sa inyo 10 pts lang yun.

    233411 Electronics Engineer (Age-30, Educ-15,English proficiency-20, NAATI - 5, Single, - 10 Relative sponsorship - 15)
    95 pts total

    June 3, 2017 = Graduated from UST
    July 8, 2017 = Took IELTS GT
    July 21, 2017 = received IELTS results (LRWS = 8/9/7.5/7)
    August 11, 2017 = Lodged EA assessment (Fast track)
    September 6, 2017 = Received positive EA assessment, lodged EOI (489 Family sponsored - 60 pts)
    September 21, 2017 = Took PTE exam
    September 22, 2017 = Received PTE results (LRSW- 90/90/90/90), lodged 189 EOI (60 pts), updated 489 FS EOI (70 pts)
    September 26, 2017 = Lodged 190 EOI (NSW) 65 pts

    1 year wait... still no EOI invite. Decided to pursue student visa instead

    Course: Cert IV and Diploma - Work Health and Safety (DNA Kingston)

    October 15, 2018 = offer letter from school
    November 8, 2018 = Medical exam (St. Lukes)
    November 20, 2018 = Paid for tuition
    Novemeber 28, 2018 = Received COE
    December 2, 2018 = Lodged visa, after 1 min, granted!

    Jan 5 2020 = Age increased to 30 pts
    Jan 20 2020 = Took NAATI
    Jan 26 2020 = Results for NAATI (passed) +5 pts
    Jan 27 2020 = lodged EOI 491 Family
    Feb 10 = invited finally!

  • RheaMARN1171933RheaMARN1171933 Posts: 1,654Member, Administrator
    @marchbaby it has nothing to do with EA, whether expired or not. It’s the Department of education and training that determines this. All assessing bodies refer to the CEP document from the dept of education. If the instruction is under section 2 but average GPA is between 1.00-2.00 or has applicant has prc then the qualification will be considered as equivalent to an Australian bachelor degree otherwise the qualification will only equate to an associate degree which is a level lower than a bachelor degree.
  • gandaragandara PhilippinesPosts: 80Member
    @maguero s victoria kme...we want to sort out other options like visa 489 kng mlayo ang chances nmen s visa 190...naghihigpit n cla kc mukhang regional areas ang bibigyan nila ng chance kc cguro puno n s nga cities...does anyone here nagapply n for visa class 489?does it have to be family sponsor or employer sponsor or both?thanks po sa sasagot...
  • gandaragandara PhilippinesPosts: 80Member
    @RheaMARN1171933 hello po...ask ko lng po kng anung better n gawin for visa class 489? 2 stream po sya like family sponsored or employer sponsored?or both po dpat? ncoconfuse po kc ako dun s nbabasa ko s home affairs...salamat po
  • magueromaguero AdelaidePosts: 592Member
    edited March 2019
    @gandara Visa 489 ako pero sa SA. May 2 streams for visa 489. Yung first is family sponsored, so kailangan nasa MLTSSL list yung occupation mo and may close family member ka na nakatira sa designated area. Konti lang slots for this stream, mga 10 lang naiinvite per invitation round and sabay yung invitation round nito dun sa visa 189 invitation round.

    Yung second is state sponsored stream. Ito yung sa akin. Iba-iba yung requirements per state and even per occupation. May states and may occupations na kailangan ng job offer, pero hindi lahat. Halimbawa yung sa akin di kailangan ng job offer peero kailangan at least 80 points.
  • nyoannyoan Posts: 1Member
    Good day po sa lahat. I'm planning to apply for Visa 189. The job i'm into is totally different from the course I took (currently working in IT but graduated BS Marketing). I have a total IT experience ng 18 years. My husband is in IT po pero di nya natapos yung degree nya but he has 18 years of experience din. Questions po --

    1. Do I need to furnish RPL since ang degree ko is different from my work?
    2. Do we have to file different VISA applications po or any of us can do it?
    3. Can my husband apply for Visa 189 instead of me? Does he need to furnish RPL as well if magpapa-aassess?
    4. Or can i use his points for my VISA application (spouse)

    Thanks in advance for your response :)
  • donyxdonyx PhilippinesPosts: 343Member
    Good day. Yung birth certificate ko kasi walang nakalagay na Province or Municipality sa upper left hand corner. Nakalagay lang, Quezon City ako pinanganak.

    Sa form 80, it is stated na "Please provide your details as they appear in your official documents. For example, passport, identity document, travel document, birth
    certificate."

    Kailangan ko ba ilagay yung National Capital Region under State/Province/Region?

    Concern ko kasi, sa immi account hindi makakapag proceed kung hindi indicated ang region kaya kailangan ko talaga ilagay yung National Capital Region dun.

    May impact kaya kung lalagyan ko na lang ng National Capital Region lahat kahit hindi yun nag appear sa birth certificate? Although nabigyan na ko dati ng Subclass 600 (visitor visa) nung 2017 using the same birth certificate.

    Thank you!

    233513 - Production or Plant Engineer | Age: 30 | Education: 15 | English: 20 | Experience: 15 | Total: 80

    December 2, 2017 - IELTS (L: 8.0, R: 9.0, W: 6.0, S: 7.0) Competent
    September 17, 2018 - Lodge CDR+RSEA, Fast Track
    October 9, 2018 - EA Contact, additional requirements
    October 16, 2018 - Positive outcome
    December 3, 2018 - 1st take PTE-A (L: 86, R: 90, W: 90, S: 90) Superior
    February 18, 2019 - Submitted EOI for 189
    March 10, 2019 - ITA for 189 Received
    April 6, 2019 - Medicals
    April 10, 2019 - No Actions Required
    April 17, 2019 - Visa Lodged
    January 10, 2020 - Updated passport details
    January 30, 2020 - CO Contact for Evidence of Relationship
    February 6, 2020 - Responded to CO
    March 4, 2020 - Updated NBI (Police) Clearance
    Waiting Game

  • Me_shellnMac28Me_shellnMac28 singaporePosts: 12Member
    Good day po! may ask lang po ako, meron po ba dito nakapagclaim n ng spouse points? ask ko lng po sana if ilang yrs of work experience needed ng spouse to avail points? I’m a bit worried po kc that I don’t any record na po as proof of evidence sa work ko from Nov 2009 backwards (aside from bnk statement and ITR). Ang may record ko lng po is from Nov 2009-Jan 2016 (until 2016 lng po kc work ko tumigil po ako after manganak). Btw CE po husband ko taz Archi po ako.
    Thanks po sa sasagot & G-d bless!
  • RheaMARN1171933RheaMARN1171933 Posts: 1,654Member, Administrator
    @Me_shellnMac28 no experience needed. As long as positive skills assessment outcome, occupation must be from the same list as the main applicant’s, under 45 years of age and competent English
  • Me_shellnMac28Me_shellnMac28 singaporePosts: 12Member
    @RheaMARN1171933 Salamat po ng marami sa patience sa pagsagot. G-d bless po;)
  • joy.0491joy.0491 ManilaPosts: 38Member
    Hi, i have a question... gusto ko kasi include bf ko sa application ko for visa 189/190. And gusto ko iclaim yung points. Yung requirements ba to prove our relationship is after ITA pa iuupload? Or upon lodging of EOI palang?

    And concern ko din po.. since magkalapit lang ang bahay ng parents namin.. ginagamit pa din namin addresses ng parents namin.. so wala kaming any individual mails or correspondences na sent to one address.. for other evidences of our de facto relationship kaya naman naming iprovide.. worry ko lang yung sa address namin.
  • gandaragandara PhilippinesPosts: 80Member
    For those who have applied at QLD for visa class 190 bka po pde kyo magbgay ng tips...bka mron kyo guidelines n pde ko sundan pra try din nmen apply...pano yng gagawin pagregister s knila...salamat po s lht ng sasagot
  • mamertzmamertz Doha, QatarPosts: 83Member
    Tanong naman po guys.
    Naglodge ako ng visa application last Feb 2019.

    Mag eexpire ang passport ko sa Nov 2019.
    Is it better to renew my passport now while waiting for the grant, or wait for the grant first before renewing my passport?

    Thanks.

    March 21, 2018 Registered for IELTS
    April 20, 21, 2018 Took IELTS
    May 3, 2018 Received IELTS results L8 R9 W7 S7

    Jun 8, 2018 Submitted EA application
    Jul 9,2018 Received positive outcome

    Jul 9 , 2018 Submitted EOI - 65 points

    Dec 19, 2018 Took PTE
    Dec 20, 2018 received Results L81, R90, S90, W85

    Jan 8, 2019 Updated EOI - 75 points
    Jan 11, 2019 invited

    Feb 9, 2019 Visa application submitted
    Aprill 11, 2019 Praise God. Direct Grant.

  • cyborg5cyborg5 AustraliaPosts: 261Member
    @joy.0491 ako upon eoi application proof ng defacto

    @gandara yung nag apply ako qld at na invite naman, yung sa website nila lang na instruction sinunod.

    The flower that blooms in adversity, is the most rare and beautiful.

  • cyborg5cyborg5 AustraliaPosts: 261Member
    @joy.0491 ako upon eoi application proof ng defacto

    @gandara yung nag apply ako qld at na invite naman, yung sa website nila lang na instruction sinunod.

    The flower that blooms in adversity, is the most rare and beautiful.

  • nashmacoy101nashmacoy101 Makati CityPosts: 131Member
    Hi All, last Nov 2017 I received a positive result from EA. Na-stop kami sa process after that due to some reasons. And now, we are back on track. My question is, ung mga ginamit ko po bang COE na dated 2017 pa eh magagamit ko po ba sya sa lodgement this 2019 (if and only if makapasa sa PTE)? Thank you po sa lahat.

    ANZSCO 233211 | Civil Engineer

    12.09.2020 PTE-A Wife (Proficient)
    07.09.2020 PTE-A L83 R90 S90 W90
    16.07.2020 Duplicate letter wife
    06.07.2020 RSEA outcome
    02.03.2020 PTE-A L75 R78 S85 W76
    01.2020 - back on track sa AU dream (sana magtuloy-tuloy na!)
    12.2017 - 12.2019: 2 years hiatus
    11.2017 EA outcome received
    08.2017 EA outcome letter wife

  • Captain_ACaptain_A AUSTRALIAPosts: 2,095Member, Moderator

    18 Mar '16 IELTS Results
    06 Apr '16 EA CDR Skills Assessment submitted
    26 Apr '16 EA Skills Assessment Positive Outcome
    06 May '16 PTE-A Exam
    07 May '16 PTE- A Results & Submitted EOI
    11 May '16 Got ITA
    02 Jun '16 Lodge Visa
    04 Jul '16 Direct Grant

    Believe you can... and you're halfway there.... - Roosevelt

  • nashmacoy101nashmacoy101 Makati CityPosts: 131Member
    @Captain_A Thank you ser. Worried kasi ako dahil bukod sa nasa ibang bansa ung dati kong workplace diko alam if may office pa sila dun or wala na. Additional question, mga ilang years kaya ang validity ng COE bago ka hingan ng updated? thanks po uli

    ANZSCO 233211 | Civil Engineer

    12.09.2020 PTE-A Wife (Proficient)
    07.09.2020 PTE-A L83 R90 S90 W90
    16.07.2020 Duplicate letter wife
    06.07.2020 RSEA outcome
    02.03.2020 PTE-A L75 R78 S85 W76
    01.2020 - back on track sa AU dream (sana magtuloy-tuloy na!)
    12.2017 - 12.2019: 2 years hiatus
    11.2017 EA outcome received
    08.2017 EA outcome letter wife

  • Pinoy_ImphotepPinoy_Imphotep DubaiPosts: 86Member
    ms_ane said:

    @pprmint08 yup (sasabat na ko hehe baka busy si sis lecia) - NBI Clearance ang accepted. Medyo naka confuse lang in terms of seeing the “police clearance” ano - pero kasi for other countries - Police Clearance talaga ang name for this document (example here in SG - SG Police Clearance sya)



    Nagkataon lang na for Pinas, may police clearance din tayo, pati barangay clearance lol.



    NBI clearance kasi is mas general, unlike police clearance sa pinas - parang depende lang san ka nakatira. And if you’ve been an ofw sa uae for quite some time na, ang NBI clearance now is isa nalang ang category - yung Multi Purpose Clearance - unlike before na depende pa per country ng applyan. :)



    If you have more questions post ka lang :)

    @ms_ane Hello maam, question lang po. From uae din ako 10 years resident pero nasa pinas ngayon for 3 months now. Alin po ba police clearance ang dapat kong kunin, yung sa dubai police HQ po ba thru the Philippine Consulate office..or pati po din ba dito sa pinas? eh less than 12 months pa lang naman pa po ako dito. Thanks in advance.

    312113 Building Inspector

    07-04-2018 : attended IELTS exam (american college dubai)
    19-03-2019 : submitted Vetassess application (anzsco 312113) | Status: Submitted
    21-03-2019 : lodged Vetassess application (anzsco 312113) | Status: In Progress
    22-03-2019 : Vetassess first contact, Vetassess application -considered subject to submission of outstanding SS docs
    27-03-2019 : Vetassess second contact, follow up reminding to submit the outstanding SS docs (responded thru email)
    28-03-2019 : Vetassess (SAO) contact, confirming my case to be kept open & await to receive outstanding SS docs

  • ms_anems_ane Victoria, AustraliaPosts: 1,133Member
    @Pinoy_Imphotep kapatid habang nandyan ka kuha na agad ng NBI clearance. Sabi nila if nag reside ka na more than 10 years sa ibang bansa e no need na ng NBI, pero madami pa din na OFWs dito sa forum (including me - 12 yrs nako SG) ang kumuha pa din ng NBI clearance just to be on the safe side, bilang 150 lang naman bayad dyan, plus halfday tambay sa NBI if wala kang “HIT” :)

    Not certain on the process in acquiring police clearance sa Dubai ( mga kapatid na OFWs sa Dubai patulong nalang :))
    pero you definitely need this since nag reside ka for 10 years sa Dubai.

    para sa NBI clearance - in essence - we are considering not just the current year - but yung years na nakatira ka sa pinas prior to working abroad - whether may criminal record ka or wala :)

    ANZSCO 233511 | Industrial Engineer | Age : 25 , Education: 15, Experience: 15, PTE: 20| 75 Points

    12.10.2016 | IELTS L 7.5 R 8.0 W 7.0 S 7.5
    03.23.2018 | Lodged EA Assessment
    05.29.2018 | EA Result : POSITIVE
    06.20.2018 | EOI 189 65 points
    07.20.2018 | PTE-A |LRSW|78/77/85/86|
    08.10.2018 | PTE-A |LRSW|75/72/75/81| - PTE Reported Technical Glitch
    09.27.2018 | PTE-A |LRSW|84/82/82/89| - SUPERIOR
    09.29.2018 | EOI 189 75 points (updated)
    10.11.2018 | 189 Invitation Received.
    10.29.2018 | Singapore COC issued
    11.15.2018 | NBI Clearance Issued
    12.07.2018 | Visa Lodgement
    12.22.2018 | Medicals
    1.3.2019 | Health Clearance Provided - No Actions Required
    2.05.2019 | ImmiAccount Tech confirmed there is system glitch
    in our Health Assessment Page in Skilled Migration Visa Application
    2.05.2019 | Attached supporting documents in our application regarding this glitch.
    3.15.2019 | CO Contact - Requesting for Medicals ( this is the result of the system glitch)
    3.18.2019 | Responded to CO Contact
    3.29.2019 | Feedback sent
    4.08.2019 | Visa Grant. To God Be The Glory!! :)

  • Pinoy_ImphotepPinoy_Imphotep DubaiPosts: 86Member
    ms_ane said:

    @Pinoy_Imphotep kapatid habang nandyan ka kuha na agad ng NBI clearance. Sabi nila if nag reside ka na more than 10 years sa ibang bansa e no need na ng NBI, pero madami pa din na OFWs dito sa forum (including me - 12 yrs nako SG) ang kumuha pa din ng NBI clearance just to be on the safe side, bilang 150 lang naman bayad dyan, plus halfday tambay sa NBI if wala kang “HIT” :)



    Not certain on the process in acquiring police clearance sa Dubai ( mga kapatid na OFWs sa Dubai patulong nalang :))

    pero you definitely need this since nag reside ka for 10 years sa Dubai.



    para sa NBI clearance - in essence - we are considering not just the current year - but yung years na nakatira ka sa pinas prior to working abroad - whether may criminal record ka or wala :)

    @ms_ane Ah ganun po ba maam. Yah meron pa po akong copy nung old NBI clearance ko po prior to working abroad. Naitago ko pa. Pwede na ba yun aside sa dubai police clearance na ipapasuyo ko na lang sa close friend ko. Need pa po ba ng notarized affidavit yan authorizing my friend to process this dubai police clearance thru philippine consulate in dubai in behalf pra saken?

    312113 Building Inspector

    07-04-2018 : attended IELTS exam (american college dubai)
    19-03-2019 : submitted Vetassess application (anzsco 312113) | Status: Submitted
    21-03-2019 : lodged Vetassess application (anzsco 312113) | Status: In Progress
    22-03-2019 : Vetassess first contact, Vetassess application -considered subject to submission of outstanding SS docs
    27-03-2019 : Vetassess second contact, follow up reminding to submit the outstanding SS docs (responded thru email)
    28-03-2019 : Vetassess (SAO) contact, confirming my case to be kept open & await to receive outstanding SS docs

  • cuccicucci NSWPosts: 887Member
    @Pinoy_Imphotep If your NBI clearance is 2014 onwards pwede mag renew online at ipapadala sa designated address sa Pinas.. pero earlier than than kailangan bumisita ulit sa pinakamalapit ng NBI office.


    ++++++++++++++++++++++++
    07.2016 | IELTS
    01.2017 | Applied to AHPRA
    04.2017 | received Letter of Referral
    09.2017 | finished BP
    11.2017 | AHPRA Registration / Employment Offer
    12.2017 | Lodged 457 Visa Application (onshore) / ANMAC Assessment
    01.2018 | 457 Visa granted / Received positive ANMAC Assessment / Submitted EOI

    04.11.2019 | Received Employer Nomination
    04.26.2019 | Submitted Visa application (186 DE)
    05.06.2019 | CO contact for medical exams
    05.09.2019 | Visa Granted (186 DE)
    (Thank you Lord!!!)
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++

  • Pinoy_ImphotepPinoy_Imphotep DubaiPosts: 86Member
    cucci said:

    @Pinoy_Imphotep If your NBI clearance is 2014 onwards pwede mag renew online at ipapadala sa designated address sa Pinas.. pero earlier than than kailangan bumisita ulit sa pinakamalapit ng NBI office.


    @cucci Apparently its earlier pa than 2014 pa eh..pero cge I'll try and visit NBI office and ask query about my status here in pinas and abroad. Anh hirap lang kasi sa pgsecure ng NBI clearance dito sa pinas 6am pa lang isang kilometro na ang haba nung mga nakapila na kukuha. Culture shock na naman to pra saken lol

    312113 Building Inspector

    07-04-2018 : attended IELTS exam (american college dubai)
    19-03-2019 : submitted Vetassess application (anzsco 312113) | Status: Submitted
    21-03-2019 : lodged Vetassess application (anzsco 312113) | Status: In Progress
    22-03-2019 : Vetassess first contact, Vetassess application -considered subject to submission of outstanding SS docs
    27-03-2019 : Vetassess second contact, follow up reminding to submit the outstanding SS docs (responded thru email)
    28-03-2019 : Vetassess (SAO) contact, confirming my case to be kept open & await to receive outstanding SS docs

  • cuccicucci NSWPosts: 887Member
    @Pinoy_Imphotep Haha... enjoy mo na lang ang experience.

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++
    07.2016 | IELTS
    01.2017 | Applied to AHPRA
    04.2017 | received Letter of Referral
    09.2017 | finished BP
    11.2017 | AHPRA Registration / Employment Offer
    12.2017 | Lodged 457 Visa Application (onshore) / ANMAC Assessment
    01.2018 | 457 Visa granted / Received positive ANMAC Assessment / Submitted EOI

    04.11.2019 | Received Employer Nomination
    04.26.2019 | Submitted Visa application (186 DE)
    05.06.2019 | CO contact for medical exams
    05.09.2019 | Visa Granted (186 DE)
    (Thank you Lord!!!)
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++

  • ms_anems_ane Victoria, AustraliaPosts: 1,133Member
    @Pinoy_Imphotep fyi na you have to create / register for an account online for NBI Clearance and dun ka na mag schedule ng appointment. If you arrive a little early before your assigned time slot, di na isang kilometro ang ipipila mo. Last year we got ours, 1 hour lang in and out - tapos agad.

    Bagong NBI clearance ang need.
    Regardjng procedure for police clearance for Dubai, search ka nalang sa internet, Im sure madami dyan information (sakaling busy pa ang mga ka forum naten dito na Dubai based)

    culture shock? bakit di ka ba lumaki ng pinas?

    ANZSCO 233511 | Industrial Engineer | Age : 25 , Education: 15, Experience: 15, PTE: 20| 75 Points

    12.10.2016 | IELTS L 7.5 R 8.0 W 7.0 S 7.5
    03.23.2018 | Lodged EA Assessment
    05.29.2018 | EA Result : POSITIVE
    06.20.2018 | EOI 189 65 points
    07.20.2018 | PTE-A |LRSW|78/77/85/86|
    08.10.2018 | PTE-A |LRSW|75/72/75/81| - PTE Reported Technical Glitch
    09.27.2018 | PTE-A |LRSW|84/82/82/89| - SUPERIOR
    09.29.2018 | EOI 189 75 points (updated)
    10.11.2018 | 189 Invitation Received.
    10.29.2018 | Singapore COC issued
    11.15.2018 | NBI Clearance Issued
    12.07.2018 | Visa Lodgement
    12.22.2018 | Medicals
    1.3.2019 | Health Clearance Provided - No Actions Required
    2.05.2019 | ImmiAccount Tech confirmed there is system glitch
    in our Health Assessment Page in Skilled Migration Visa Application
    2.05.2019 | Attached supporting documents in our application regarding this glitch.
    3.15.2019 | CO Contact - Requesting for Medicals ( this is the result of the system glitch)
    3.18.2019 | Responded to CO Contact
    3.29.2019 | Feedback sent
    4.08.2019 | Visa Grant. To God Be The Glory!! :)

  • Pinoy_ImphotepPinoy_Imphotep DubaiPosts: 86Member
    @ms_ane Ah ok so need pa po pala magcreate ng online account . Cge..will do that. Thanks for the tip!. As far as i can remember walang pa kasing ganitong mga online secure booking for appointment ng nbi clearance back 2008 kasi hindi pa ganoon kadami ang kumukuha unlike nowadays. Come in & out lang din no need na pumila pa ng halfday. Life was still a little bit chill pa noon.

    312113 Building Inspector

    07-04-2018 : attended IELTS exam (american college dubai)
    19-03-2019 : submitted Vetassess application (anzsco 312113) | Status: Submitted
    21-03-2019 : lodged Vetassess application (anzsco 312113) | Status: In Progress
    22-03-2019 : Vetassess first contact, Vetassess application -considered subject to submission of outstanding SS docs
    27-03-2019 : Vetassess second contact, follow up reminding to submit the outstanding SS docs (responded thru email)
    28-03-2019 : Vetassess (SAO) contact, confirming my case to be kept open & await to receive outstanding SS docs

  • titalovetitalove ManilaPosts: 11Member
    Hi everyone! Need your advices. My bf submitted EOI for 261212 - Web Developer. For 190 - NSW and VIC. 75+5 pts po siya. As of March 11 kasi, nawala yung 261212 sa visa 189. May chance kaya mainvite for visa 190 or pa-assess ba siya sa 261312 - Developer Programmer? Kasi yun nasa visa 189 pa at 75 pts naman siya. Mas may chance ata mainvite dun? Medyo magkalapit naman po yung job description. Though mas swak siya sa Web Developer. Need your advices po. Sana may makatulong. Thanks and God bless po!
  • joy.0491joy.0491 ManilaPosts: 38Member
    Hi. Question.. pwede mo bang dependent ang parents mo sa visa 189?
  • cyborg5cyborg5 AustraliaPosts: 261Member
    Nope. Asawa at anak lang.

    The flower that blooms in adversity, is the most rare and beautiful.

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