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Australia Education System - Pre-school and beyond!

LittleBoyBlueLittleBoyBlue North RydePosts: 334Member
edited October 2012 in Family Matters
Isa sa mga motivation ko sa pag-migrate eh ang makakuha ng world class education anak ko, halos sa lahat ng education ranking, nasa top-10 ang AU. Ngayon, nag-initiate ako ng thread na to so we can share yung experiences sa pag-hanap ng school, adjustment sa school (lalo na sa may-anak), magkano usual gastos kung dun nag-aaral anak mo, discriminations, bullies, at kung ano-ano pa. Ask anything, from pre-school hanggang Phd.

Nakita ko tong link na to : http://www.myschool.edu.au/

makita nyo dun mga information about schools sa AU, although for primary lang yan. Ito pa mga public info sa education system ng AU; #1 ang AU sa adult literacy rate, sa PISA report ng 2009 #15 sa Math, #10 sa science, #9 sa reading.

Pero iba pa rin yung report sa actual field, yung isang kaibigan ko dun sabi sobrang relaxed daw ng school dun, halos patapos na daw ng pre-school anak nya hindi pa rin marunong ng alphabet at playing daw ang focus ng school. Share nyo experience nyo, mabuti na first hand witness kesa hearsay lang.

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  • li_i_renli_i_ren North RydePosts: 434Member
    edited October 2012
    mahirap mag hanap ng preschool here and when they get into preschool.. all they do is play. my daughter is major in sandpit play and minor in painting and she's 4 already.

    we just moved to nsw, wala akong mahanap na preschool for here..i have called about 20 preschools in our area alone..di pa kasama ung nearby suburbs. talagang wala.. so we have decided na uwi muna sya sa pinas kasi ung cousin nya sa pinas, reading and writing na at 4!

    so she is there now.. according sa workmates ko na ozzie, ang uso sa oz is late start of school or take their kids a year back. mandatory schooling is 6 years old pa..so what they do is enroll their child in primary school at 5 but when they turn 6 rather than advance a year ..they make then stay in the same year, that way their kids who are actually 6 will be able to learn reading/ writing more and will be more advance than the kids who are actually 5 years old.

    hanap pa kami ng school for my daughter..graheb hirap ng waitlist system.

    my brother in law is filipino but born and raised in australia, he's a teacher. he will not advocate na we send our daughter to public school sabi nya if you want your kids to learn and be in good company..go private talaga. so we will see how much private school is.. and how good a school is very suburb dependent. if nasa "bad" suburbs ka.. rampant lunch box bullying. bad suburb is low socio-economic neighborhoods.
  • TotoyOZresidentTotoyOZresident Posts: 1,335Member, Moderator
    Isa sa mga motivation ko sa pag-migrate eh ang makakuha ng world class education anak ko, halos sa lahat ng education ranking, nasa top-10 ang AU. Ngayon, nag-initiate ako ng thread na to so we can share yung experiences sa pag-hanap ng school, adjustment sa school (lalo na sa may-anak), magkano usual gastos kung dun nag-aaral anak mo, discriminations, bullies, at kung ano-ano pa. Ask anything, from pre-school hanggang Phd.

    Nakita ko tong link na to : http://www.myschool.edu.au/

    makita nyo dun mga information about schools sa AU, although for primary lang yan. Ito pa mga public info sa education system ng AU; #1 ang AU sa adult literacy rate, sa PISA report ng 2009 #15 sa Math, #10 sa science, #9 sa reading.

    Pero iba pa rin yung report sa actual field, yung isang kaibigan ko dun sabi sobrang relaxed daw ng school dun, halos patapos na daw ng pre-school anak nya hindi pa rin marunong ng alphabet at playing daw ang focus ng school. Share nyo experience nyo, mabuti na first hand witness kesa hearsay lang.
    Kung pasok naman sa budget sa private school mo ipa-enroll. May mga christian school naman din sa australia dun maiiwasan ang bullying. May mga private school naman na di ganun kamahal ang tuition fee. Importante may car kayo. Better to search sa area nyo kung may malapit na private school.

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  • LittleBoyBlueLittleBoyBlue North RydePosts: 334Member
    @li_i_ren & @TotoyOZresident, magkano ba fee pag-private? ang haba daw ng pila bago mkpasok dun eh.

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  • johnandjoshjohnandjosh BrisbanePosts: 107Member
    My eldest son is enrolled in primary state school here in Qld. If I were to assess the educational system here and in the Philippines, I would say, mas maganda ang turo sa atin and we have better teachers in the Philippines compared sa mga Aussie teachers. Since we arrived here, I never see my son getting busy with his school homeworks/assignments. Their homework is only once a week usually given on Monday and to be submitted the next Monday. You need to download the homework from their website, answer and submit it online. I once complained about the homework. Sabi ko sa teacher nya na we expect an everyday homework para after school ay may gagawin ang bata before he plays and get stuck with the computer. Pero sabi ng teacher that is the normal routine daw at nagagalit ang mga Aussie parents kung too much homework daw.

    When it comes to the facilities/classrooms naman, although it is a state school it far exceeded my expectation. My son's classroom is fully airconditioned, carpeted, with microwave oven and a fridge. So during lunch break, pwede mag init ng pagkain ang mga pupils. Each student is provided with a laptop na ginagamit nila while inside the classroom. Being a state school, I never pay any single penny for his tuition. Ang ginastos lang namin ay pang uniform nya.





  • LokiJrLokiJr Quezon CityPosts: 2,616Member, Moderator
    @johnandjosh I think yan yung epekto ng developed K12 education system...hindi tadtad ng requirements ang mga estudyante kasi they have enough time to discuss all subjects di tulad sa atin na pinagkakasya lahat...May K12 na tayo ngayon pero tingnan mo naman, uulan lang konti wala na kaagad pasok haha.
  • stolich18stolich18 SydneyPosts: 993Member
    Agree. Minsan nga mas ok din na hayaan muna sila maglaro (especially pag masyado pang bata). Parang ok ako na mga around 4 years old na pumasok ang anak ko vs pag masyado maaga like 2 or 3 years old. heheh Tska sabi nga di ba pag bata raw, for them problem solving ang playing eh. So hayaan lang daw muna magenjoy din kase once na magstart na magaral yan, tuloy tuloy na yan. hehehehe Siguro depende rin, minsan ang hirap kase i-gauge if may natutunan nga mga anak natin sa school or nagccomply lang tlga sila sa requirements pero di naman tlga nila naiintindihan or naappreciate yung lesson. Nabasa ko nga na hindi ata mahilig magpa-exam sa Au or sa Finland ata. Pero bkt ganon sa global standards sila yung mga nasa top. hehehe It's the love for learning siguro tlga na dapat iinstill sa mga bata. Hirap to strike the balance nga lang. :)

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  • LittleBoyBlueLittleBoyBlue North RydePosts: 334Member
    @stolich18 Actually yun sana sasabihin ko, kasi nga ang Finland late din sila nag-start mag-school, pero tingnan nyo naman sila highest sa mga educational rankings. Mas maganda pa nun, late na mag-start, ilang oras lang sila nasa school. Naging strict sila sa requirements ng teachers, kailangan daw dun merong Masters Degree ang teachers even for primary school.

    Ngayon, cost wise, ano ano ba dapat malaman na mga related gastos sa school? hinahatid nyo ba anak nyo? or school bus?

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  • LokiJrLokiJr Quezon CityPosts: 2,616Member, Moderator
    Quality over quantity ika nga hehe....Magagaling mga guro natin sa Pinas pero hindi namamaintain yung tamang ratio ng teacher-to-student kaya wala rin masyadong napupulot mga bata hehe
  • June16June16 PerthPosts: 62Member
    Sa mga nauna na po dyan sa oz, paano po ba kung sa june pa ang dating ng anak ko 6years old po, pwede bang i enrol kahit nasa kalagitnaan na sila ng school year dyan? Thanks po sa mga sasagot
  • scorcherscorcher SydneyPosts: 15Member
    yes pwede as long as may available slot sa school. yung year na papasukin nya depends sa month na pinanganak yung anak mo . like in WA, pag 6 years old sya ngayon and was born before july chances are ilalagay sya sa yr 2 primary. diff state has diff cut off date
  • June16June16 PerthPosts: 62Member
    ganun po ba, salamat. Isa din kasi sa mga worries ko ito, paano po kung wala na slot sa lugar na pupuntahan nmin, bawal po ba na hindi i enrol ang bata at mag antay nalang next school year nila? thanks po
  • scorcherscorcher SydneyPosts: 15Member
    pagpuno na sa school ma malapit sa suburb nyo, normally may referal from them to allow you to enrol your child sa nearest or next available primary school. but sa private school, kahit saan pwede as long as may available slot.
  • li_i_renli_i_ren North RydePosts: 434Member
    edited March 2013
    If p.r. Ok yun school fees if not like work visa medyo expensive.

    My daughter goes to daycare.. She is 4 yrs old 92 aud per day and i cant get rebates coz im on a 457 visa. If we dont get p.r. When she starts school apparently i have to pay full tuition for her as an international student. So hopefully i can sort out our pr this year.

    I will opt for private school specially one with religion, my aussie/ pinoy brother in law is a teacher here and he says bullying is rampant in public schools. My indian friends who are nurses like me had said the same thing.. Their kids all came from europe na before migrating to oz so english accents na but still bullied. 1 of my indian friend, her son is still in public school but he has learned to fight back kaya lng she has notice him to be swearing na kasi common daw sa school. Pinapagalitan nya pero sabi all my friends are doing it.. Yan sagot palagi. He is only 11 so she is considering moving him kasi yung isang indian when her son was bullied (tinutukso, lunch stolen, etc) she moved him to a catholic school.. Private.

    She has notice he is happier in the private school kasi mas smaller ang class ratio and the teacher can monitor them better.

    Sa pinas when we were kids di ko na feel na may bullying or manhid lng tayo.. Dont know. Pero dito like yung patiente ko ngayon 13 yrs old.. She cuts herself kasi wala daw syang friends.. Mataba daw sya etc.

    Ewan bakit depress yung ibang bata dito when i feel they are so priveleged.

    Also we had this conversation sa tea room on our break 3 of us were asians then the rest ozzies, i was telling them about these kids in the bus talking about having sex. Sex education here starts at age 10 at school coz some kids start having sex here by 11!

    Nag susmaryasef yun indian friend ko pero sabi ng ozzie na kasama namin when she was 14 her mum started buying her condoms and she was sexually active by 16... Its not a big deal daw. Better be open as parents rather than be strict sabi ng mga ozzie.

    Which isnt to unbelievable kasi naka patiente na ako nanay is 14 and tatay is 15. I know values at home pa rin yan but peer pressure here is quite significant. I work with kids and yung teenagers natin sa pinas still playing chinese garter dito talagang a whole new different culture din.

    Something to think about for us na may mga anak.. The challenges of raising our kids in a very indpendent culture quite different fom ours.

  • TasBurrfootTasBurrfoot OsakaPosts: 4,336Member
    edited March 2013
    I will opt for private school specially one with religion, my aussie/ pinoy brother in law is a teacher here and he says bullying is rampant in public schools. My indian friends who are nurses like me had said the same thing.. Their kids all came from europe na before migrating to oz so english accents na but still bullied. 1 of my indian friend, her son is still in public school but he has learned to fight back kaya lng she has notice him to be swearing na kasi common daw sa school. Pinapagalitan nya pero sabi all my friends are doing it.. Yan sagot palagi. He is only 11 so she is considering moving him kasi yung isang indian when her son was bullied (tinutukso, lunch stolen, etc) she moved him to a catholic school.. Private.
    I don't have kids yet but I am quiet interested with catholic private school - I was raised by the Jesuits kasi so it is just normal that my kids eventually will be taught in the way the Jesuits has
    taught me...

    There us a Jesuit school in Melbourne but the school fees cost more than 15K a year... Which is like WHOA!!!
    :-O

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  • StraderStrader PhilippinesPosts: 999Member
    Mahal talaga basta mga Jesuit schools
    hehehe pero sulit din naman. ^^

    15k a year tuition fee for pr/citizen na yan or internetional student? Parang masteral course sa victoria university hehehe

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  • TasBurrfootTasBurrfoot OsakaPosts: 4,336Member
    edited March 2013
    Mahal talaga basta mga Jesuit schools
    hehehe pero sulit din naman. ^^

    15k a year tuition fee for pr/citizen na yan or internetional student? Parang masteral course sa victoria university hehehe
    to be honest i did not see any different pricing for pr, citizens or foreigners

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  • li_i_renli_i_ren North RydePosts: 434Member
    edited March 2013
    http://www.studyinaustralia.gov.au/en/Study-Costs/Fees/Tuition-fees ... For uni etc.

    http://www.international.adelaide.edu.au/living/family/school/ .. For primary schools etc.

    http://www.ceosyd.catholic.edu.au/Parents/Pages/enrolment.aspx ... Catholic schools for p.r., citiczens may separte pdf guide for international students

    http://britishexpats.com/forum/showthread.php?t=527156 .. Discussion about child care rebates or work visa holders


    Ayan may links for te non- believers; p

    Google nyo lang. you will find more examples. I have personally called the public school and the catholic school in our area and have been told na i need to pay the international student rate if im not pr.

    My manager also at work have acknowledge talaga ma there will be difference im tuition as i am not the first who have asked for p.r. After only 6 months on the job kasi sa tuition.

    For nurses kasi usually offered visa is the 457 so it is a common problem for us,

    I have also called the office for child care rebates.. Sa daycare kasi you can get sana rebates of 20-30% of what im paying daily for daycare but have been told na as a work visa holder i was not eligible for that hence 92 aud per day talaga tuition ng anak ko.

    If pr/ citizen if public you only pay for uniforms and a donation. If private, you pay tuition, uniforms pero like that indian friend i have her son's tuitoon is 3k a year... Forthnightly or monthly or quarterly... You can arrange payment method naman.

    Constant topic po namin noh asians with kids at work kasi di po joke ang tuition.

    I dont know if other people found a way through this.. If meron on same visa as mine and was able to get rebates please share how you did it.







  • li_i_renli_i_ren North RydePosts: 434Member
    edited March 2013
    Pasensya sa typo hirap talaga mag type sa mini...;(

    Sa boracay nga ibang rate ang locals, expats and foreigners sa ilang hotel nila, hehehehe!!
  • StraderStrader PhilippinesPosts: 999Member
    Hehehe yon din nakikita ko sa mga websites nika may ibang rate talaga basta pr/citizen ka.

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  • TasBurrfootTasBurrfoot OsakaPosts: 4,336Member
    @li_i_ren - i did not doubt you at all... i was saying that for that specific jesuit school in melby, i did not see any price difference between pr and foreigners.

    tingnan ko ulit and i really do hope i am wrong here para may chance naman magka jesuit education ang mga kids ko in the future without the financial burden.

    cheers!!

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  • LokiJrLokiJr Quezon CityPosts: 2,616Member, Moderator
    What about home-schooling? Is it common in Australia? I'm seeing a lot of online education providers kasi..at least kung sa bahay lang yung bata, mahuhubog mo talaga yung paguugali niya hehe
  • scorcherscorcher SydneyPosts: 15Member
    don't know personally but I heard some family have their kids do home schooling kasi of theiir lifestyle, like they live an adventurous life such as road travel or sailing within Australia.
    But I would still like my children to be in a school where they will mix with other kids, learn the Australian culture, acquire the OZ accent etc. Of course matutunan din nila yung bad side of things but then that's where we step in as a parent and guide them
  • StraderStrader PhilippinesPosts: 999Member
    It is part of growing up that u would really encounter either u bully someone or the other way around. But as i always tell the kids every bully orientation I would conduct in.school..you should love urself so u would know how to protect ur own welfare. Nobody will bully u physically or emotionally if u are assertive.
    .turuan ang bata to speak out.. learn to open up their feelings wag lang iiyak pagmay aaway sa kanila..

    Kaya marami cguro dyan mangbully kasi usually mga bata na ganito sa skul kulang sa pansin sa bahay or maxadong inferior sila sa kanila kaya kung makawala sa iba nila i.rerelease ung frustration nila. Pero case to case basis pa rin. Kaya tama si @scorcher dito papasok ang role sa parents to guide them. Importante din kasi ang socialization sa bata be it positive or negative tayo na magscreening sa mga natutunan nila hehehe.. so very challenging sa mga parents na magmigrate talaga kasi we have different norms here in pinas compared sa oz. ^^

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  • li_i_renli_i_ren North RydePosts: 434Member
    Kasi ung parents didto and i know you guys when you get here too you will notice also.. You will be busy with work. When you get home there is no maid.. Busy with housework. Then to find a cheaper place to live you have to commute almost an hour away..so meaning gising ng maaga..uwi ng gabi na.

    Pag alis mu tulog pa ang mga bata..mpag dating mu naman tulog na rin.

    Masarap in theory ang work-life balance pero unless you are earning a certain figure like lets say in sydney the articles i have read said that you need at least 100k plus plus annually to live a comfy life here.. Meaning may pangbayad sa mortgage, bills and savings. Bakit may plus plus? It said kasi thats for entertainment, health (emergency funds), travel..

    Most people work 8 hours x 5 days. Sat usually alloted for housework.. Sunday lang talaga family time.

    And most migrants other than doctors dont reach that mark right away. And even most ozzies dont reach that numbers, kaya the kids are sometimes left on their own devices. And parents though not really there fault din kasi mahal naman talaga cost of living in oz and one must provide for the family sometimes can not follow up, guide or supervise their kids.

    I know there is a way.. Pero getting there and finding the balance its not instant specially if one is new in the country. So many adjustments pa to make before makuha yung ideal family life.
  • OhmygagOhmygag SydneyPosts: 22Member
    I will apologize if people will find this statement a stereotype
    Asians in general are very competitive including pinoys and so we want our children to be very good in school. Kelangan alam na ABC and 123 by the age of three. Here in OZ they have a very relax approach to education, not a lot of homework and lots of extra curricular activities and sports which a lot of pinoys including me find shocking. Even young kids who go to child care centres by the time they go to school halos walang alam kasi puro laro lang ang ginagawa sa day care and i know this first hand because I work in child care. If you have young children and you want them be better prepared for school I suggest you find child care centres that offer kindergarten program. There are places that offer these kind of programs like twice a week and children actually learn there and not just play. I know a lot of parents who have their children in child care 3 times a week then 2 times at a kindergarten ang problema nga lang is hatid sundo sa mga bata specially if your working kasi i know here where I live kindergarten places only goes for about 6 hours something like 9 am to 3 pm and theres not before and after school care so kelangan talaga hatid-sundo sa mga bata on time.
  • cind3r3llacind3r3lla Perth, WAPosts: 153Member
    share ko lang itong website para mas madaling paghahanap ng private at catholic schools depende sa area at grade level:

    http://www.privateschoolsdirectory.com.au/
  • jonshejonshe BrisbanePosts: 6Member
    hi po,, my husband is on 457 visa he's working in queensland, makakasurvive po ba kami if kukunin nya me and my 2 daughters. mahal po ba schooling di pag di pa pr?
  • li_i_renli_i_ren North RydePosts: 434Member
    @jonshe lets put it this way..ung 4 yrs old ko costs me 92 aud per day in kindergarten. Depende how old ung kids nyo and if public/private school.

    Check out the websites of the schools near ur place and inquire how much ung tuition. Nag inquire ako sa public near our place.. Primary school for 5 yrs old sabi we will fall on international students kasi 457 visa din kami hence we have to pay international student rate of 2-3k per year plus uniforms;(

    Whereas if p.r. Donation lng tapos uniforms.
  • apcapc BrisbanePosts: 147Member
    @li_i_ren what state are you? kasi nabasa ko somewhere na in Queensland, kahit 457 visa holder free ang tuition sa public school. I think sa Act at NSW ang hindi libre. I hope I read it right because punta din kami ng Queensland with my kids next year. Husband ko is currently working there na on 457
  • icebreaker1928icebreaker1928 SydneyPosts: 1,446Member
    @apc yup, sa ibang state free school sa public kahit naka 457... sa nsw alam ko hindi free pag 457...
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